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Old 13th February 2014, 02:30 PM
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Loving all the stats mr GF.

That's always been my reason for saying we have never been visited by aliens. How do you organise a trip that will last at least 50,000 years ??? No matter how technologically advanced a civilization is, universal laws of physics apply to everyone. I believe there are other inhabited planets around, but they are too far away for us ever to know for sure.

I do believe in climate change, and that much of it is man made. But I don't believe it's necessarily the end of the world. We just need to wean ourselves off the addictive use of fossil fuels. We are coming to the end of an era that has lasted 300 years, problem is the oil industries and finance feed off each other like parasites, and they just happen to be the most powerful corporations on the planet. They are using their political influence to keep the gravy train moving. Burning all the carriages just to keep the momentum. But their days are numbered. If it takes millions of years to create, but a few seconds to use up, then your gonna run out. In pre industrial revolution days we used to have windmills dotted all over the landscape, we should go back to that. Sun wind and tide won't get used up, and, once the oil lobby are forced out of their siege mentality we can concentrate our efforts on making it cheaper.
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Old 13th February 2014, 03:02 PM
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Maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I remember storms in the last couple of years where people actually did lose there lives! but I don't remember Cameron promising that "money was no object" when it came to helping those affected. Could this sudden generosity with tax payers money have anything to do with the fact that the flood waters have now reached the playing fields of Eton ????
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Old 13th February 2014, 05:18 PM
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Maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I remember storms in the last couple of years where people actually did lose there lives! but I don't remember Cameron promising that "money was no object" when it came to helping those affected. Could this sudden generosity with tax payers money have anything to do with the fact that the flood waters have now reached the playing fields of Eton ????
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Old 13th February 2014, 05:38 PM
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Loving all the stats mr GF.

That's always been my reason for saying we have never been visited by aliens. How do you organise a trip that will last at least 50,000 years ??? No matter how technologically advanced a civilization is, universal laws of physics apply to everyone. I believe there are other inhabited planets around, but they are too far away for us ever to know for sure.

I do believe in climate change, and that much of it is man made. But I don't believe it's necessarily the end of the world. We just need to wean ourselves off the addictive use of fossil fuels. We are coming to the end of an era that has lasted 300 years, problem is the oil industries and finance feed off each other like parasites, and they just happen to be the most powerful corporations on the planet. They are using their political influence to keep the gravy train moving. Burning all the carriages just to keep the momentum. But their days are numbered. If it takes millions of years to create, but a few seconds to use up, then your gonna run out. In pre industrial revolution days we used to have windmills dotted all over the landscape, we should go back to that. Sun wind and tide won't get used up, and, once the oil lobby are forced out of their siege mentality we can concentrate our efforts on making it cheaper.
i wouldnt deny for a second humans are pumping all sorts of poisons into the atmosphere and creating problems, but as for killing the planet.. nah.
we are just killing ourselves and orangutans for example.

i was just putting things into perspective with the stats, and the fact that our little planet is just one of billions, and pointing out human arrogance in this matter, to think we can affect the cosmos. we cannot.
of course one could aim every nuclear bomb at the earths core, that might destroy it...

when voyager reached the edge of the solar system, it turned round and took a picture of earth, nothing more than a blue speck in the distance. like looking at a single grain of sand in the sahara..

as for physics, at the end of the 19th century various boffins thought they knew everything, there was to know about physics, then someone with a large brain suddenly discovered quantum physics, which blew all previous conclusions out the water, whose to say in the future some other boffin wont discover something else, as for travelling to the stars, i think in the future it will be possible, of course people say, why havnt aliens come to visit us,, well maybe they have and decided we are a bunch of primitive nobodys, much in the same way we look at apes..

if the earth is 24hrs old, humans have only been around for 1 second.
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Even the Mormons are helping. This is old news, but, hey, still pertinent.

https://www.lds.org/church/news/memb...gland?lang=eng
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Maybe I'm just an old cynic, but I remember storms in the last couple of years where people actually did lose there lives! but I don't remember Cameron promising that "money was no object" when it came to helping those affected. Could this sudden generosity with tax payers money have anything to do with the fact that the flood waters have now reached the playing fields of Eton ????

JB:

I think you have lost the plot!

For a millionaire rock star to play the working class card is a little hypocritical. Having earned more money than most people on this board could dream of and then making light of how some "Range Rover's were washed away" is just typical champagne socialism.

You would be sickened if someone attacked a person based on the colour of their skin they were born into, but you are quite happy to attack someone based on the social class they were born into. Which is just as unavoidable as the colour you are born. I am pretty confident that your family have lived privilidged lives from your previous vast income. Enjoying the large houses, foreign trips and fast cars etc that wealth brings.

Those that point fingers should ensure they have clean hands.
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Old 12th March 2014, 10:28 PM
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JB:

I think you have lost the plot!

For a millionaire rock star to play the working class card is a little hypocritical. Having earned more money than most people on this board could dream of and then making light of how some "Range Rover's were washed away" is just typical champagne socialism.

You would be sickened if someone attacked a person based on the colour of their skin they were born into, but you are quite happy to attack someone based on the social class they were born into. Which is just as unavoidable as the colour you are born. I am pretty confident that your family have lived privilidged lives from your previous vast income. Enjoying the large houses, foreign trips and fast cars etc that wealth brings.

Those that point fingers should ensure they have clean hands.
I think JB was just making the point that money shouldn't be taken from the places where it really can make a difference between life and death.I wouldn't wish flooding on anyone but much of the flooding happened in affluent areas where the vast majority will be well insured.If the floods had happened in working class areas where paying insurance would be a struggle for some and a pipedream for others Cameron wouldn't have been talking about money being no object then.He would have been using words like "fecklessness" and "irresponsibility".

The tories look after their own and fk the rest during flooding or sunshine and JB was right to point that out.
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I think JB was just making the point that money shouldn't be taken from the places where it really can make a difference between life and death.I wouldn't wish flooding on anyone but much of the flooding happened in affluent areas where the vast majority will be well insured.If the floods had happened in working class areas where paying insurance would be a struggle for some and a pipedream for others Cameron wouldn't have been talking about money being no object then.He would have been using words like "fecklessness" and "irresponsibility".

The tories look after their own and fk the rest during flooding or sunshine and JB was right to point that out.
JB was being "class-ist" and to me that is a cheap shot.

Being born into privilidge is not something anyone should have to defend. Especially to a millionaire popstar. Also as i mentioned no one can help who they are born to, it isn't acceptable to make racist comments to someone born into a black family so why should it be ok for someone to make snide comments for being born in an affluent family.

JB is an awsome drummer and for that i admire him, but when "stars" get into the political arena i think they have overstepped their mark. Especially when a millionaire makes snide jibes at others for being wealthy.
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JB was being "class-ist" and to me that is a cheap shot.

Being born into privilidge is not something anyone should have to defend. Especially to a millionaire popstar. Also as i mentioned no one can help who they are born to, it isn't acceptable to make racist comments to someone born into a black family so why should it be ok for someone to make snide comments for being born in an affluent family.

JB is an awsome drummer and for that i admire him, but when "stars" get into the political arena i think they have overstepped their mark. Especially when a millionaire makes snide jibes at others for being wealthy.
Don't know if you've been following recent news about the band but he aint a millionaire no more.Not that that matters as he and the other UB lyricists have consistently commented on the UK class system before they were wealthy,at the height of their success financially and during recent times.They've kept to their principles,surely that's to their credit.
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Don't know if you've been following recent news about the band but he aint a millionaire no more.Not that that matters as he and the other UB lyricists have consistently commented on the UK class system before they were wealthy,at the height of their success financially and during recent times.They've kept to their principles,surely that's to their credit.
I am up to speed on the financial matters yes, but he had his millions. The fact he couldn't keep hold of his massive wealth is neither here not there.

Tbh, i have always loved the music but despised their political beliefs. It is flawed beyond belief. Champagne socialism at it's best. Living like rockstars litterally and trying to hold on to the working class card is a little silly.

They constantly bash the Tories, but the fact is their young lives were spent growing up under the shambolic Labour governemnt of the 70's with their left wing idealogy that failed. Not only in principle but it failed the people too.

As i say i always loved the music but i don't think popstars have any place in a political area. As they have too big a platform to air their often misguided even if meant well thoughts.

I watched in disbelief a few days ago a bit of UbTv where JB said everything should be nationalised and weed should be made legal. Silly statements like that beggar belief. Our industries were nationalised in the 70' s and you only need to look back to see what a disaster it was. Strike after strike and business not even close to being competetive. That thought pattern has been tried all over the world and failed everywhere, it shouldn't take too much working out that the entire ideology is flawed. However i understand that North Korea and a few other places on the planet are still trying to make it work if he would like to sample life there LOL
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