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What is he trying to prove
He has turned down the pardon and parrole of Michael Sheilds, Not
only that but yesterday turned down the parrole of Ronnie Biggs,
What is the point of keeping a frail old man who has suffered several strokes and dieing behind bars
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i agree that many people get far lenient sentences for far more horrific crimes, but i personally dont feel any sympathy to ronnie biggs plight, he could of had his freedom by now if he hadn't gone on the run, he chose to have his freedom earlier and live the life of luxury in brazil, the only reason he came back was for the free health care the uk provides, in reality he's only served a cpl of years of his sentence, it is sad he has turned out to be a desperately ill old man, but at least he had the opportunity to grow old, a luxury stolen from the driver who died a broken man a few years later
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i agree that many people get far lenient sentences for far more horrific crimes, but i personally dont feel any sympathy to ronnie biggs plight, he could of had his freedom by now if he hadn't gone on the run, he chose to have his freedom earlier and live the life of luxury in brazil, the only reason he came back was for the free health care the uk provides, in reality he's only served a cpl of years of his sentence, it is sad he has turned out to be a desperately ill old man, but at least he had the opportunity to grow old, a luxury stolen from the driver who died a broken man a few years later
i totally agree with you father ronnie biggs chose to go on the run,and if its true whats been reported on the news he still has no remorse over the driver who was assaulted and later died.the only thing that makes me sad/mad is that we the taxpayers are paying for his care
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i agree that many people get far lenient sentences for far more horrific crimes, but i personally dont feel any sympathy to ronnie biggs plight, he could of had his freedom by now if he hadn't gone on the run, he chose to have his freedom earlier and live the life of luxury in brazil, the only reason he came back was for the free health care the uk provides, in reality he's only served a cpl of years of his sentence, it is sad he has turned out to be a desperately ill old man, but at least he had the opportunity to grow old, a luxury stolen from the driver who died a broken man a few years later
i totally agree with you father ronnie biggs chose to go on the run,and if its true whats been reported on the news he still has no remorse over the driver who was assaulted and later died.the only thing that makes me sad/mad is that we the taxpayers are paying for his care
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An alternative view.....Straw's statement yesterday mentioned that Biggs still presented a threat. What? A disabled, elderly and sick man at the end of his life?

There's an agenda here. For some reason the establishment have never forgiven him, and are not prepared to show him any mercy. Was it because it was a royal mail train? Was it because he embarrassed the establishment? I don't know, but they sure are taking their revenge on this old man.

One thing's definate, they want to see him die in custody.

Reading Straws words yesterday about honesty, decency etc made my skin crawl. Straw is a dishonest, thieving politician, as has been shown recently.

One day the people of the UK will see through the cr@p they are fed by their politicians.

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Nes i can agree with you over Micheal Shields, if the evidence is right and he was in the hotel when it happened and yes he should be given a pardon....but over Biggs im agreeing with FT

But saying that my mums been talking about it today and she thinks biggs should be realeased and Micheal Shields.

Some sentences in this country are dam stupid, how many mental cases have been let out early and gone on to kill.
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Yes Kath I agree with FT, Jen and Michele, I understand their views but I also agree with Zagreb and your mum and you with your last point about the mentaly ill being let out early to kill especialy if they have killed before,

As for Michael Shields in which case I thought you might have something to say about him I believe he is innocent, don't ask me why I wasn't there just an instinc't,
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Sorry but Biggs should die in Prison he stuck two fingers up to the authorities and showed no remorse or even thought for the man they killed. Myra Hindley died a prsioner and so should Biggs their victims weren't given a chance to live out their lives to die a natural death at home with their families.

I too believe Micheal Sheilds is innocent, followed his case and couldn't believe he was found guilty let alone being kept in Jail here despite the evidence in his favour. By the same token I can see where the government are coming from if they release him by pardon or via the courts what happens to the next briton in similar circumstances?
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An alternative view.....Straw's statement yesterday mentioned that Biggs still presented a threat. What? A disabled, elderly and sick man at the end of his life?

There's an agenda here. For some reason the establishment have never forgiven him, and are not prepared to show him any mercy. Was it because it was a royal mail train? Was it because he embarrassed the establishment? I don't know, but they sure are taking their revenge on this old man.

One thing's definate, they want to see him die in custody.

Reading Straws words yesterday about honesty, decency etc made my skin crawl. Straw is a dishonest, thieving politician, as has been shown recently.

One day the people of the UK will see through the cr@p they are fed by their politicians.

Rant over, have a cracking weekend!





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far worse crimes get lighter sentences than biggs' i think one of the main reasons a lot of ppl feel for him is down to the images we see, a sick,frail old man, on his last legs, but then again isn't that something we all have a chance of happening to us when we reach his age, and at least he wasn't given an extra sentence for absconding in the first place so he's one up in that sense
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