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JB40
27th September 2013, 04:27 PM
The government have done it again. Another stupid decision based on lobbying rather than science.

They are bringing in a law to test for cannabis use amongst drivers, particularly on motorways. A good idea most people would probably say. But at the same time they are relaxing the laws to allow drinks companies to build pubs at motorway service stations.

This means that if someone has smoked a joint in the morning, and pulled over by the police in the evening, they will be arrested. even though the drug is no longer active in the brain [it can still be detected in our bloodstream for weeks afterwards].

It also means that someone could have a drink, stay just the right side of the breathalyzer, and get away scott free.

The fact is, alcohol is involved in TEN TIMES more accidents than cannabis. And it's effects on the 'motor' parts of the brains [the parts that effect co-ordination] is much stronger.

so busting people for having cannabis in their blood, and building motorway pubs is bound to lead to more accidents.

If only cannabis users had an organization that could lobby parliament, maybe then the result might be very different.

oLdbOi
27th September 2013, 04:55 PM
The Green Party

oLdbOi

pedromenedro
27th September 2013, 05:09 PM
Millions of people in this country ignored by the ignorant.
Legalize it.
Our cousins over the pond have led their politicians out of the dark ages, it took them a long time but they are getting there, it is time that we did here.

Kodiak
3rd October 2013, 07:15 PM
They are bringing in a law to test for cannabis use amongst drivers, particularly on motorways. A good idea most people would probably say. But at the same time they are relaxing the laws to allow drinks companies to build pubs at motorway service stations.

This means that if someone has smoked a joint in the morning, and pulled over by the police in the evening, they will be arrested. even though the drug is no longer active in the brain [it can still be detected in our bloodstream for weeks afterwards].

How and when are they administering this test? If they believe someone to be intoxicated by cannabis, do they send them off to do a blood test? But if they smoke in the morning, how would they detect that person might have done it later that day and thereafter test?

Intoxicated driving is intoxicated driving, whether it be on drugs or alcohol. The police here are trained to detect the signs of intoxication, by alcohol and drugs...and more recently, cannabis specific training detection as, although you can do it in the privacy of your own home, more and more people are driving after smoking and getting into accidents.

JB40
4th October 2013, 11:09 AM
I don't agree that 'intoxication' is 'intoxication'.

Different drugs work in various ways. Some drugs corrupt your co-ordination, some don't.

Alcohol has the double whammy of ruining co-ordination AND lowering inhibitions. Which is why someone who has had alcohol, even below the legal limit, will be less co-ordinated and less inhibited than someone who smoked a spliff three hours ago. But it is the spliff smoker that would be punished.

Canabis doesn't lower your inhibitions, if anything you become MORE inhibited and aware of your surroundings. Also, you are not unco-ordinated to anything like the same degree.

The way I see it, there are DANGEROUS drugs and there are SAFE drugs.

The dangerous ones are capable of shutting off the motor parts of the brain, the part that controls your breathing and heart beat. This means you can die in your sleep. This is true of drugs like heroin, crack and ALCOHOL.

The safe drugs don't have any effect on your reflexes, nobody ever died from an over-dose of cannabis. This is also true of LSD and MDMA.

I remember a new bit of machinery introduced by a top copper a couple of years back. This machine used saliva to detect the presence of drugs in the system. The copper used himself to demonstrate how it worked. His result was POSITIVE for heroin use. turns out he had eaten a poppy seed bread roll at lunch. How can we claim that he was unfit to drives ??

Also.
I once went to a party where a couple of people had taken LSD, and they were playing video golf. They both played much better than they had ever played before. ALL the top ten high scores were registered that night by those two. There reaction time had been much improved by the drug.

There are designer drugs on the market that students and academics use regularly because they stimulate the brain to work more efficiently, increasing memory and awareness. Would we ban these people from driving? and are they more dangerous than somebody who has had a glass of wine ??

My point is that we should apply science to the subject, not prejudice.