4th July 2001, 12:26 AM
Hi everyone,

I just received this e-mail and I want to share it with you. It's important to know about this to try not to make the same mistakes, don't you think?


Whatever the law says, public attitudes towards homosexuality are allowing
for open intimidation and discrimination

By Erbol Jumagulov in Almaty

In the first week of May, four homosexuals were beaten up outside an Almaty
gay club. Police arriving at the scene did nothing to stop the fighting.
Instead, they joined the attackers. The incident is anything but unique.
Beatings of gay men are as commonplace in Kazakstan as police intervention
or protection is non-existent.

"I was battered, but I cannot take the attackers to court - I am an outcast
and a pervert as far as the police are concerned," complained Andrei, who is

Homosexuality was a crime under Soviet rule but, with the fall of communism,
attitudes grew slightly more tolerant towards homosexuality and alternative
sexual practices. Gay and lesbian communities began to grow in Kazakstan, as
their one-time hangouts were transformed into restaurants, bars and

It took until 1997 for Clause 308 of Kazakstan's Criminal Code banning
homosexuality to be overturned, although the law continued to proscribe the
activities of gay people.

An oversight perhaps, but one nonetheless reflecting the majority's hostile
attitude towards homosexuals.

Public opinion was outraged by the notion of bisexuality and cross-dressing.
Despite wider coverage of gay and lesbian issues by the Western and domestic
media and the advance of gay rights in Europe, tolerance among ordinary
Kazaks remains generally low.

Only in pockets can more enlightened attitudes be found, usually among the
young and better educated.

"To be honest, I don't care if someone wants to sleep with a person of the
same gender as long as it doesn't mess with my own life," said Artiom
Korabliov, a high school student.

"I don't see any major harm in homosexuality," commented Anna Pirogova, also
a student. "At least they don't steal or kill."

Gay convicts get no sympathy, despite suffering brutal treatment from fellow
inmates in Kazakstan's prisons. They are routinely raped and sexually
exploited, ignored and insulted.

The abuse and violence has led many to commit suicide. Kazak social
scientist Dmitri Avilkin has suggested separating such inmates. But for many
people, simply being homosexual is reason enough to be jailed.

The country's major religions offer no blueprint for tolerance of different
sexualities. Muslim and Orthodox leaders are unanimous in their opposition
to homosexuality, considered one of the gravest sins in both religions.

Both faiths stick doggedly to their conviction that religion can reform a
gay person and return him or her to 'normal' heterosexuality.

Kazak physiologist Rishad Mirbekov disagrees. "No god, and no manner of
threats or physical violence can change such a person," maintained Mirbekov.
"We could call these people hostages of their own physiology. They are
slaves to their needs."

Such a view may well be hotly disputed by Western gay rights campaigners,
but Kazak homosexuals have no one to effectively champion their rights.

The Human Rights Association for People with Alternative Sexual Preferences
was set up in the wake of communism's collapse but its efforts have been
limited and largely unsuccessful because of hostility from the authorities
and the general public.

Erbol Jumagulov is a regular IWPR contributor

4th July 2001, 04:33 AM
well i dont agree or like the fact of anyone or anything homosexual. BUT i do know that all ppl are equal and it not nice to hear that they are being attacked.
what is or has happened is no good.

da lisa
4th July 2001, 08:20 AM
Sorry Flower, but I think what you say is not correct: You do not like anything or anyone being gay? What the -beep- is that of your business? Anybody must be allowed to make their own decissions on everything, isn't that what we call freedom?

Let me tell you some more about gay-people:

When it comes to male gays, they will never approach a straight man unless they are certain that they have a chance. Most gay-people aren't too sure of theirselves, they have got a low selfesteem, and therefor straight men have got nothing to fear of gay-sexuals. That is the problem: even in Holland it happened a couple of times before: a gay guy being beat up because a group of straight men felt threatened IN THEIR PRIDE! What if their friends would think that they were gay? Oh My God, that would be the end of the world! NOT!

Before you say anything: I'm not gay, I'm straight and very happy with my boyfriend. But my best friend is gay and I've been in the gay scene as a "visitor". I must say I've always enjoyed going to gay-bars with him for the simple fact that you don't have those pushy men around you who only want one thing: get you in their bed. It felt more like a girlfriends night out! http://www.ub40.co.uk/ubb/biggrin.gif

Besides the fact that everybody should have their own choices in life, I think that you're born either gay or straight and that it has nothing to do with your experiences or the way your parents are. You're either born gay or straight. So how can you blame these people of anything bad?? Maybe it was said in the Bible, but how many other things have been said in the Bible which aren't true? And besides that: I'm not religious, but I won't beat any religious people up for the simple fact of their believing!

I hope everybody can let everybody in peace and help eachother in this rough world, alone we can never make it to a good end!

Sorry if I upset somebody, but I couldn't help it but react on this post.

http://www.ub40.co.uk/ubb/love.gif and http://www.ub40.co.uk/ubb/kiss.gif to every person out there, gay, straight or bi-sexual!


4th July 2001, 10:42 AM
I've never had a problem with anyone being gay, lesbian, bi-sexual, black, white, pink, purple, alien, brown, multi-coloured with stripes as long as what they do in their lives don't hurt no-one!!! I certainly don't think anyone should be beaten for being gay that is wrong.

Big love


4th July 2001, 04:28 PM
Nuff said!!

i agree wiv ya alli
if no harm comes to anybody then why should we be concerned bout it!

andi x

Accident of Birth
4th July 2001, 04:48 PM
A violation of human rights is a violation of human rights. No room for discussion on this one folks.


4th July 2001, 04:59 PM
Well said Wendy
big love
lynne xxxxxxxx

4th July 2001, 06:44 PM
Da Lisa i never said anything about how they are being treated is right. I KNOW its very wrong but you have no right to tell me my opinion is wrong if i do not approve of homosexuality it is my opinion which i have every right to state.

da lisa
5th July 2001, 09:34 AM
Flower, I think you've got a small vision of the world. It's well known that people can't help it if they are born gay, lesbia, bi-sexual or straight. And like I stated before: most of the people who are gay have a lot of problems with it, they consider themselves different or even worse: strange. That's why I think people like you should get a bigger perspective of the world.

How can you say that you don't like or agree with the fact that somebody is gay, bi-sexual or whatever? They can't help it. It's not they wanted it that way. Like somebody with red hair might want to be blonde, they can go to the hairdresser and dye their hair, but it's a bit difficult to change somebody's sexuality, isn't it?

So I think we all have to accept it that we all have different personalities, and there is no way you can say that you (I quote) do not agree or like the fact people are gay.

Sorry if I upset you, but that's just the way it is.


5th July 2001, 05:18 PM
well im not the only one with a small vision you obviously dont accept the fact im titled to my opinion because you keep on telling me my opinion is wrong. i never said i dont like gay ppl i know they are no different then me nice, hard workers i just dont approve of their lifestyle so sue me. and i dont know where you are from but over here we dont have to accept things we can do and say as we please. i dont like it i say i dont like it i dont bash them i talk to them just dont like their preference. ah well maybe im small minded and i guess i like it this way.